Episode 11. Sally Skewes + Elizabeth Holbert

Release date Tuesday July 27 2021

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Sally Skewes, Clinical Psychologist and Elizabeth Holbert, Music Educator and Performer

Wow, these two amazing women covered the very interesting topic of music and brain neurology!

I learned so much! For example:

When do babies start interacting with sound- where does listening begin?

How does singing to our babies help develop their brains?

What is ‘motherese’ or ‘parentese’ and how does it help our connection with babies?

How does social engagement affect the vagus nerve?

Research is being conducted about how music helps Parkinsons patients!

And much more!

Episode Acknowledgements and References

Audio Examples of Parentese/ Motherese from Instagram

  1. Instagram- @marijadimza
  2. Instagram - @babyandmummy_hub


Music snippets of pop songs (from 26:48 seconds)

  1. “Then I Saw Her Face” by Smash Mouth
  2. “Karma Chameleon” by Culture Club
  3. “Girls Just Wanna Have Fun” by Cyndi Lauper
  4. “Billy Jean” by Michael Jackson
  5. “I Feel Good” by James Brown
  6. “Time Warp” by Little Nell, Patricia Quinn & Richard O’Brien
  7. “Nutbush City Limits” by Ike & Tina Turner

Other Audio examples

Tibetan monks chanting https://freesound.org/people/djgriffin/sounds/15488/

Women’s liberation chant https://youtu.be/4ZeowophZe8

Ukulele girl (Covid 19 song) https://youtu.be/RapkewnhCm8

Books referenced

Dr Anita Collins “The Lullaby Effect”

Masaru Emoto "The Secret Life of Water"


About Sally and Elizabeth

Sally Skewes is a Clinical Psychologist with a special focus on attachment, childhood needs and how to support healing in those who have experienced unmet needs in childhood, developmental trauma and the subsequent difficulties/patterns in life. Sally co-founded securenest.org to enhance connection and meet the emotional needs of all who wish to explore this path. Sound and rhythm have a special place in Sally's heart. We are born hearing voices as if it is music; this provides the foundation for making meaning of relationships and developing language. Sally's own practice incorporates sound healing as this modality can connect one to their authentic self, their spirit and to others too; feeling a sense of belonging in community. Sally is a member of the With One Voice Kingston Park Community Choir and experiences deep connection to others and joy in singing together each week.

Contact Sally: securenest.org


Elizabeth Holbert is a music educator and performer. She completed both Bachelor (Classical Performance) and Honours Degree at Adelaide University, Elder Conservatorium, where she was Principal French Horn of the Elder Conservatorium Orchestra and Wind Ensemble for periods, and has also been involved with the Elder Conservatorium’s Brass Ensemble, The Australian Chamber Music School, the Adelaide Symphony Orchestra and the Adelaide Art Orchestra.

She has 16 years of teaching experience, with many students having great success with their examinations. Her teaching methods draw from a wide variety of sources, and she has gained knowledge around the world; from New York and the Netherlands, studying at Domaine Forget Academy in Quebec Canada and with the Auckland Philharmonia Orchestra. She also spent time learning in Switzerland, Germany and Austria.

In her most recent studies Elizabeth has worked with Dr. Anita Collins in the area of brain development and music learning. She is able to directly translate the neurological benefits music has on the brain into her teaching, and understand the inner working of the music learning brain. As a “Bigger Better Brains” Educator her approach is to lead change in the area of music education informed by evidence based research.

If you would like a Free 30 Minute Consultation/Trial Lesson, please contact Elizabeth via email: ihorn86@gmail.com

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